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Post by MikeO on Sept 3, 2015 9:12:37 GMT -5
Below is the latest mirror-reversal research, and it took an UNEXPECTED turn into areas of human consciousness and free will. This was a very big surprise for me. I’m only now, after many months, getting used to it.
The first item is a true story titled “A Tale of Two Riddles,” which fully describes this exciting new topic, and which is addressed to somewhat non-technical friends of mine, written in the Summer of 2015. So far, 6 Episodes are posted.
The second item “The Determinism Detour” is a much shorter paper written earlier, in late 2014. It is addressed more to Cognitive Scientists and people with some technical knowledge of the human brain and consciousness.
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Post by MikeO on Sept 3, 2015 9:25:10 GMT -5
A Tale of Two Riddles
Introduction
Dear Friends,
This is an experiment in writing.
Please peruse the following, which is my soon-to-be-unpublished book. This is an experiment in communication on several levels at once. It’s an attempt at communicating a most complicated and difficult idea involving the conscious human will. Despite this topic’s great difficulty, free will itself is a common everyday topic of thought, conversation, and study. Though used every day in common life, the human will remains a mystery as to how it can work. I’m testing here the understandability of a new perspective that seems to solve the free will mystery. ***
A rare format is being used that looks like poetry, but is not. This is a format experiment. ***
There are six Episodes in this adventure.
Episode 001 - Very Different Riddles Episode 002 - Very Related Riddles Episode 003 - Determinism Episode 004 - Free Will Episode 005 - Mirror Solution Episode 006 - Free Will Solution
Thank you for reading.
MikeO
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Post by MikeO on Sept 3, 2015 9:28:05 GMT -5
Episode 001 - A Tale of Two Riddles - Very Different Riddles
This is a true story about two very old and very odd riddles, and in this way the two riddles are related.
But in many other ways they are very, very different.
The first riddle is most trivial, and the second is most profound. The first riddle is too silly, the second too serious. The first riddle is just innocent child’s play. The second threatens to toy with our minds.
Solving one seems almost unworthy of our effort; almost unworthy of its solution the other can make us feel.
Two rival riddles: one pointless, one hopeless. The solution to the first riddle would be worthless; to the second, priceless.
There’s a pattern here.
The first riddle is merely an idle curiosity, the second is steeped in cultural impact.
The first is so trivial it can elicit responses like mild anger, derision, and jeering laughter.
The second is so profound it can elicit responses of mild despair, of being overwhelmed, and a wistful laugh.
The insignificant riddle is anchored at the simple end of everyday experience, while the significant riddle floats a little beyond the unfinished frontier of modern science.
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I’m not speaking metaphorically here. These are two down-to-earth, well known riddles. I’ll briefly state them now, but a great deal of detail is poised for later printing. The trivial riddle is:
How can a mirror reverse left and right, but not up and down?
The profound riddle is:
How can we have a free will in the face of microscopic determinism?
The reason for this discussion is a very recent discovery and a very surprising discovery that the trivial riddle unlocks the profound riddle.
What I mean by “unlocks” is that when the two riddles are looked at in just the right way, they can be seen to have a common form.
The free will riddle’s solution can then be seen to have the same form as the mirror riddle’s solution.
What this means is that the profound riddle can be understood by first learning to understand the trivial riddle. There’s a lot to talk about here.
***
But first, a few notes on the format I’m using. It looks a little like poetry, but it’s not.
I’m breaking these lines up according to ideas. This is because the discussion around these two riddles can get very complicated, so formatting it this way makes each individual idea easier to digest. I got this idea from a brilliant lady named Lillian Lieber, who pioneered it back in the 1930’s. See how much harder this paragraph is to read than all that proceeded? This format helps me write complicated ideas, and I hope it helps you understand them. Lillian Lieber wrote some of the most complicated books in the world in this poetry-like format, dealing with the very deepest topics in Mathematics and Physics, and they are still in print today.
Now watch this:
I’m breaking these lines up according to ideas. This is because the discussion around these two riddles can get very complicated,
so formatting it this way makes each individual idea easier to digest. I got this idea from a brilliant lady named Lillian Lieber, who pioneered it back in the 1930’s. See how much harder this paragraph was to read when using standard formatting?
This format helps me write complicated ideas,
and I hope it helps you understand them.
Lillian Lieber wrote some of the most complicated books in the whole world in this poetry-like format, dealing with the very deepest topics in Mathematics and Physics, and many are still in print, today.
Go Google her and get impressed.
***
Now back to my story:
These two simple sounding riddles are an entry point to some very deep thinking, and it’s fun to have a chance to see them fit together. I’ve been playing with these two riddles for almost fifty years now, and I’m not bored yet. At the start I had no idea the two riddles were in any way related.
I was simply fascinated by both, and finally lived to see them both fully solved. The mirror riddle got solved fast, like in about five years, but I couldn’t explain it well, in a clear, convincing way. The next forty years with the mirror riddle were spent in perfecting and refining the answer so that anyone could grasp it. That was forty years of of deeper and deeper insights as to what was going on with mirrors, and with people looking at mirrors, and with people theorizing about mirrors.
The mirror riddle, and it’s constantly improving explanation proved to be a very effective conversation starter, and a great way to meet people, especially in bars decorated with mirrors.
***
The free will riddle went entirely different.
I was totally stumped.
My puzzling over how we can have free will in spite of determinism was totally bogged down for the first twenty-five years in several fascinating and learning-filled dead ends.
For free will I had no answers, no conversation starters, and a depleting hope that an answer was even possible.
Then, after a series of major adjustments, there was a very recent breakthrough.
So, now I finally have a conversation starter for free will.
You’re reading it.
After privately communicating all this with some friends, I’ve been encouraged to write it up for all.
***
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Post by MikeO on Sept 3, 2015 9:30:31 GMT -5
Episode 002 - A Tale of Two Riddles - Very Related Riddles The trivial riddle is: How can a mirror reverse left and right, but not up and down? The profound riddle is: How can we have a free will in the face of microscopic determinism? After seeing, in Episode 001, how much the two riddles are opposed to each other, now please hear how much they are also similar. In spite of their deep differences, the two riddles are none-the-less related, and in some very, very interesting ways. If, as previously noted, the trivial riddle will unlock the profound riddle, that, in itself, would put them into a deep relationship. There are many more ways the two riddles are similar. Nobel Laureates have wrestled with both. Neither riddle was EVER answered to my satisfaction by anyone. Both riddles are clean and neat, yet the standard answers to both are never clean and neat. Both can be over-explained by scholars with a blinding blizzard of facts and figures. Both riddles look easy at first; but both prove to be very, very hard nuts to totally crack. Both riddles can be delicious, but with vastly differing flavors. Both riddles are unlikely to ever attract much research grant money. No scientific theory needs either one of them solved, in order to make sense. No machinery needs either one of them solved in order to function. Both riddles can induce a mini cognitive dissonance when deeply pondered. Both riddles maintain their mystery not long after the best of explanations are offered. Both are pretty pure enigmas, And, I am told, have been around for centuries! Both seem extremely intriguing to a significant swath of the population. Most people can understand both riddles, and nearly everyone can say of them both, “Hey! There’s something very odd here.” A goal of this discussion is to clearly see the clean and neat solution, and just exactly how the trivial riddle unlocks the profound riddle. *** Just in case this unlocking doesn’t sound shocking enough (it really should sound shocking), let me say it a little more explicitly: the mirror riddle unlocks the free will riddle. This is a huge claim to make. A short time ago I would have thought it to be a ridiculous claim. It still often looks ludicrous to me, but when I review the discoveries and think it all through again (as it is slowly being printed here) it makes sense again. Here is an alternate view that can soften the incredulity, and take off a few sharp edges: the simple riddle unlocks the complex riddle. That looks like a more workable idea. It will all fit together soon, so please hang in here with me a while, as I set up more of the proof. Both riddles require a special kind of thinking in order to be solved. It’s not difficult thinking, just rarely attempted thinking. But it’s easy thinking when someone shows you how and why. *** So far, since this solution is a very recent development, the best way I know to explain all this is to re-trace my steps as I first saw it. After doing this, and after getting feedback from others, the explanation can then likely be spiffed up and shortened. An easy, clean and neat, one page summary of the mirror solution can be seen at : www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/M/mirror_reversal_problem.htmlA full treatment of the mirror solution can be seen at : mirror-reversal.proboards.com/The clean and neat answer to the free will riddle is in development here. ***
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Post by MikeO on Sept 3, 2015 9:31:42 GMT -5
Episode 003 - A Tale of Two Riddles - Determinism?
So, what the heck is determinism?
Determinism determines what happens. Atoms are blind and mindless. There are no free will decisions made at the low level of atoms, according to the best of science. And this is a very good thing.
From this blind obedience of atoms we get a stable and predictable world. Without determinism bossing atoms around, tables would not be solid and water would not be splashy. Without determinism your phone would not work. Nothing at all would work right. Without determinism operating at the lower levels, Annie couldn’t guarantee that the sun would come out tomorrow. So we all should love determinism, those of us who like to eat every day. And scientists love it even more. It makes their work possible, and they make our lives better. Sure camping is fun, but only if you can come home.
With the possible exceptions of mad scientists and evil scientists, we do pretty well because of science.
When you get right down to it, your auto mechanic is a scientist, your hair stylist is a scientist, and so are a huge number of others in your life.
At the lower levels, down in the biology level, and chemistry level, and atomic level, determinism is a very useful thing.
Determinism is a name for the ability of science to sometimes predict what is going to happen.
Because of determinism both nature and science are never whimsical, and always consistent.
***
Determinism looks real good in the lower levels but up here at the top level, it seems to be a problem.
The same way it can push atoms around it seems that it can push US around also!
And who wants to get pushed around?
So determinism is a friend when it’s confined to the lower levels of mindless atoms and cells,
but up here at our level it’s an enemy that not only threatens to bend our wills and desires, it even presents an existential threat to us.
The big riddle is:
How can we have a free will in the face of microscopic determinism?
If determinism threatens the reality of our will down to the details of what we WILL TO THINK next, then what’s left to be us?
Are we just wet robots?
In a nutshell, the determinism vs. free will riddle is:
Who’s driving the bus, you or your atoms?
We could move up a level, to huge biological molecules, but they are just as mindless as the atoms that make them up.
Up another level to brain cells, and we might ask what is the IQ of one of our brain cells?
Mosquito brains of many cells are probably a lot smarter than any one human brain cell.
At every level below our top level of free will our microscopic parts (all of them, all the time) blindly and accurately follow laws of Biology, laws of Chemistry, laws of Physics.
Atoms determine molecular behavior, molecules determine nerve cell behavior, nerve cells determine the muscle cell behavior,
Oops!
I thought WE were the ones determining our own muscle behavior! Where does OUR behavior come in?
We ran out of parts, and lost free will in the process.
So, who IS driving the bus, you or your brain cells? you or your molecules? you or your atoms? you or your … ?
Determinism comes from a crisp, clear, scientific world where crisp definitions are possible.
However, the world up here that houses human free will is not so clear and allowing of such crisp definitions.
***
Even if scientific determinism is not your cup of tea, we’re all affected by determinism all the time.
And we’re all affected by science and what scientists discover and what scientists say, and most of them can’t say much at all positive on free will.
So getting a handle on determinism can be useful in this technological age, where determinism and/or free will come up often and in perplexing ways.
We humans often encounter slightly hidden notions of determinism in everyday life.
Discussions often take place on issues like crime and punishment, and determinism can be seen lurking in the background.
Was he really guilty? Or was it his genetics? Or was it his brain washing? Or was it mental illness?
We hear things everyday like “It was the alcohol talking.” “Have you taken your meds?” “I’m not myself today.” We go on diets or try to quit smoking, and a central life focus quickly becomes free will, and will power, and factors that over-power will.
And there’s more. Determinism happens on the positive side as well, in affairs regarding credit, honor, and reward.
And it’s almost always puzzling. No one has a handle on determinism.
The strongest forms of determinism say that the future is already written for absolutely everything, including all of our decisions.
That’s pretty nasty!
***
Please note, though, that determinism vs. free will is NOT the same as nature vs. nurture. It’s more like nature PLUS nurture, BOTH of them versus free will.
***
Just in case determinism doesn’t sound like a terrible monster yet up here at the top level, let me try again. Here’s a common atomic level explanation of determinism:
The behavior of every microscopic particle in your brain is determined by the laws of Physics and whatever prior state the particle was in, and no decisions are involved.
Nasty!
Moving up some levels, here’s a common neurological level explanation of determinism:
Whatever brain-state I’m in now was fully determined by the brain-state I was in just prior, and all my previous learning, and no free will was involved.
Nasty!
How can this scientific determinism gobledygoop be true when it doesn’t seem to pan out in real life?
We all know that SOME of the time we can DEFINITELY make SOME decisions.
Do you see why this riddle is so slippery? Determinism can set up a cognitive dissonance in this way.
It’s both a good guy and a bad guy at the same time. We want to believe in science and we also want to believe in our free will.
But the two don’t mix well. It’s all turmoil and confusion, the harder one tries to figure it out.
That’s why this is such an old riddle. The harder we try to solve it the deeper it gets.
This is the deepest mystery of all science!
It’s the Holy Grail of Physics.
It’s an ongoing story that no one has been able to explain cleanly and neatly.
***
I’d like now to give a short preview of where this is going next.
About thirty years ago a Philosopher named Daniel Dennett had several great insights that can greatly simplify our notions of free will.
This will speed things up.
Next step will be learning to see the mirror riddle’s solution in a certain way that will be useful later in viewing the free will riddle.
The mirror riddle tricks us in a way that is similar to the free will riddle’s trickery. Both riddles trick us, though in different ways, to try and hold two opposing thoughts in our heads at the same time. This is what cognitive dissonance is.
In Episode 001 the surprising range of emotional responses these riddles can elicit was mentioned.
The special new way of thinking about these riddles is simply to compartmentalize our thoughts, and not allow the opposing thoughts to fight it out.
The solutions will dawn on us after we first clearly see WHY this compartmentalization must be done, and after we get a little PRACTICE at doing it.
Explaining this WHY is where I’m headed.
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Post by MikeO on Sept 3, 2015 9:32:29 GMT -5
Episode 004 - A Tale of Two Riddles - Free Will
Free will advocates bog down by asking for too much… WAY too much. It seems that many old attempts to avoid determinism, and find ways to make free will plausible involved finding loopholes within science. The hope was that these loopholes could at least point to free will, and say it’s camouflaged from scientific scrutiny.
In Physics, the popular area to look for loopholes is quantum theory.
In Mathematics, a type of uncertainty principle can be found in Gödel’s Theorem, and some look there for determinism relief.
Some also resort to religion and say free will is not even physical, but spiritual, and therefore invisible to science. Holding onto lots of hopes everyone bogs down in these pursuits, because all this is overkill and not needed.
THAT’s the insight Daniel Dennett provided in his 1984 book “Elbow Room.”
I found this book in 1992, but I also found it to be a difficult read.
But fortunately, Dennett spills the beans in the subtitle to the book which is: “The Varieties of Free Will Worth Wanting.”
This much in the book’s contents I could latch onto.
For me, after making these adjustments and pondering how much free will was really needed, and how much of it seemed to already be there, certain things became clear that previously were murky.
***
Free will means being able to operate an agenda without too much interference.
Being biologically equipped, we gradually grow an internal agenda script, or a set of principle desires by which we conduct our behavior.
This agenda or set of principles can be called a creed or a belief system.
For many people there could easily be several of these agendas spliced together, and in operation.
It also seems that we can re-write or edit these scripts of our Internal Constitutions.
To think and then act according to what these scripts say is equivalent to saying: these scripts are what determine our behavior.
But this is in conflict with this which was posted in Episode 003:
Atoms determine molecular behavior, molecules determine nerve cell behavior, nerve cells determine the muscle cell behavior,
This the heart of the riddle.
It’s not solved yet, but free will is now getting more simple.
***
So, how much free will and what kind of free will do we need to be free? We want the kind of free will that is able to resist other wills.
What goes on in the micro-machinery of our own brains is NOT in our focus when the topic is freedom.
The focus is other wills trying to determine our behavior and hamper our freedom.
***
It is a slow process from infant to child to adult, but eventually a free will emerges.
Not TOTALLY free but somewhat free, as Dennett’s insight guides us.
We want the kind of free will that is able to edit our agenda scripts, able to re-write our Internal Constitutions. We want the kind of free will that is able to grow in will power, able to increase our degree of freedom from other wills, even from previous versions of ourselves.
Free to change.
Dennett’s simplification is to picture human will with a relative freedom, not an absolute mystical freedom. In 2003 Dennett completely re-wrote Elbow Room and renamed it “Freedom Evolves.” It’s especially nice to think that we can increase our freedom, and this idea is illustrated in Dennett’s newer “Freedom Evolves.” It seems we should be happy with an INTERNAL will that is somewhat free of important EXTERNAL forces.
How that internal will starts off may be by accident, and not choice, but what gets built into it can be more and more by design as that will develops.
We really just don’t want to be pushed around too much by outside forces.
We want to think that we act on our own internal program, not someone else’s.
We want to think that our thoughts are our own.
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Post by MikeO on Sept 3, 2015 9:33:29 GMT -5
Episode 005 – A Tale of Two Riddles - Mirror Solution We’re at the threshold of the solutions. First the mirror solution then free will. Later, for the free will solution, I’ll be using similar wording. So this mirror solution will be like a template to later help in seeing the free will solution. *** One of the coolest surprises about the mirror solution is that it does NOT involve any hard core science. The mirror solution is purely a people thing. We human beings have in common many innate skills and strategies for dealing with difficult situations, and the mirror riddle is pretty difficult. Two such strategies, or tools come into play with the mirror riddle. We’re all very familiar with both of these tools, but giving them names makes for quicker reference. I’m going to call these two investigation tools a Sherlock and a Twistie. We will soon see that these tools are in conflict with each other in this mirror riddle. This conflict is the secret of the mirror riddle’s resistance to solution. In other words, these two tools, as good as they are, for many life situations, in THIS particular situation (the mirror reversal riddle) the two tools mess with each other, and they also mess with our minds as we ponder the mirror riddle. In the free will riddle we will also see two useful tools that come into a conflict. *** Let’s set up the mirror scene: Stand in front of your bathroom mirror, and you raise your right arm. The Sherlock tool says “Don’t move anything.” This tool is the classic Sherlock Holmes technique for dealing with a complicated crime scene. The Sherlock tool says: Guard the mirror setup (you with one arm raised) and then examine it AS IS, moving nothing. We can think of this Sherlock tool as keeping a “sure lock” on the mirror setup, with right arm raised. *** The other tool, called the Twistie works in the following way: Whenever we humans need to compare NEARLY IDENTICAL objects, we usually prefer to line them up first, and have them face in the same direction, before we try to compare them. For example: If you wanted to compare two nearly identical pens, would you hold one pen pointing at twelve o’clock and the other pen pointing at three o’clock? No, you would want to do a Twistie first, by turning one of the pens around to face the same direction as the other pen, and THEN you can compare them. In the mirror setup, (still got that arm raised?) you and your mirror image are NEARLY IDENTICAL, except for this elusive quality of “reversedness.” So, many of us want to apply a Twistie to the mirror setup. But the Sherlock says no twisting. But the Twistie says no facing in wrong directions. Conflict. *** For the mirror, most people can, and eventually do settle on the Sherlock for solving the mirror riddle. So, they lock in on the mirror setup (that arm getting tired?) and then, methodically, they start comparing up and down, left and right. Applying the Sherlock tool shows that the mirror does NOT reverse left and right, NOR does it reverse up and down. Both heads are pointed up, both raised arms are on the same side of the bathroom. Sherlock says, after comparing parts, that only front-to-back are reversed. Your nose is pointing in the opposite direction as your mirror image’s nose. The Sherlock tool is linear, and methodical, one-step-at-a-time. But the Twistie can be done mentally in a sudden visual flash. *** Remember, the Twistie conflicts with the Sherlock: Twistie says move things, Sherlock says don’t move things. *** Twistie says: Twist around to face the same direction as your mirror image. You can use a crayon to roughly sketch, and thereby freeze your mirror image, (with arm raised) before doing the Twistie. Now, in comparing parts it’s easy to see that left and right ARE reversed, but not up and down. This is where the mirror riddle comes from: people doing Twisties. *** So, Twisties and Sherlocks conflict in their procedures, AND they conflict in their results. Sherlocks say NO left/right reversal; Twisties say YES left/right reversal. *** It sounds complicated but many people are very capable of doing Twisties mentally. When the Twistie is done mentally, in a sudden visual flash, it can be totally unnoticed and subconscious, but the left/right reversal from such a flash Twistie can make some kind of vague impression. After the flash fades, capturing this process in words is VERY difficult. So, it is the case that many people ACCIDENTALLY And UNKNOWINGLY do Twisties. This guarantees for them a nagging sense of left/right reversal. *** Twistie flashes can even occur WHILE attempting to apply the conflicting, one-step-at-a-time Sherlock tool. They can happen so fast people don’t know they are doing them. A half dozen Twistie flashes can occur while attempting to do one of the Sherlock procedures. When you agree with me that your mirror image’s LEFT arm is raised, it’s because you just did a mental Twistie. *** Some people have a type of mental discipline where they either can avoid accidental Twisties, or they can ignore the impressions of left/right reversedness the Twisties make. But for many people, being interrupted several times by mental Twisties, while trying to do a Sherlock gives rise to great mental confusion. Sometimes, after following and believing a complete Sherlock proof that no left/right reversal occurs, a few minutes will pass, and then a sudden mental Twistie occurs. Flash! There’s that pesky feeling of left/right reversal again. *** The solution to the mirror riddle is to become practiced at using both the Sherlock and the Twistie, AND more importantly to also to become practiced in using them ONE-AT-A-TIME, AND not allowing any mental drifting into a Twistie flash, AND understanding why. The solution to the free will riddle will be similar. *** Oh! You can put your arm down now.
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Post by MikeO on Sept 3, 2015 9:34:38 GMT -5
Episode 006 – A Tale of Two Riddles - Free Will Solution
Did you ever think you’d be pondering some of the most complicated ideas in the world?
If you’ve been able to follow these Episodes I want to congratulate you.
Hardly anyone ever thinks these things through.
Thinking can be an adventure, but it can also be hard work. Anything new is more difficult than anything practiced, so with practice these thoughts will get more fluid.
Like with the mirror riddle we are now going to look at two common human tools that are used when the free will riddle is on the table. However, both of these tools will prove to be far more complex than the Sherlock and the Twistie. I wish I had snappy, one word names for both of these tools, like in the mirror riddle, but I don’t… yet.
Maybe you can help me to find better names later, but for now, I’ll give them temporary names.
I can also say that, like with the mirror riddle, there’s no hard core science in HALF of the free will solution.
A full half of the solution, will be a purely people thing.
***
We human beings have in common many innate skills and strategies for dealing with difficult situations, and the free will riddle is quite difficult.
Two such strategies, or tools come into play with the free will riddle.
I’m going to temporarily call these two investigation tools
a People-View tool and a Particle-View tool,
but better names can be considered later.
Both of these tools are much more abstract, detailed, and complex than were the simple Sherlock and Twistie tools. However, just like with the Sherlock and Twistie, we will soon see that these two big tools are in conflict with each other, when the topic is this free will riddle.
This conflict is the secret of the free will riddle’s resistance to solution.
In other words, these two tools, as good as they are for many life situations, in THIS particular situation (free will vs. determinism riddle) the two tools mess with each other, and they also mess with our minds as we ponder the free will riddle.
*** Let’s set up the scene:
The People-View tool is what we all learn beginning as babies.
From early infancy we learn body parts, body actions, and we learn about food and elimination.
We learn to recognize faces, as well as voices and intonations, and eventually we learn that there other wills out there that sometimes thwart our newly forming will. When we deal with other wills, one of the earliest things we learn is that we don’t always get our way. We also learn early that people can lie, so dealing with deliberate falsehoods becomes part of the People-View tool. Coming to expect that another human has thoughts similar to our own thoughts slowly becomes second nature.
Comparing these thoughts via verbal communication is how I see this People-View tool growing in strength during our early years.
***
What I had in mind when I named the Particle-View tool, was dirt.
I was thinking of how at very early ages we learn that dirt is not people, and is to be cleaned off and gotten rid of.
We also quickly learn that the ground outside that we walk on is made of dirt.
Daily learning includes how food can be cut into smaller and smaller pieces, and that chewing food does the same thing.
We also quickly learn that we can make things out of dirt, and also that things can be broken down into dirt or junk or smaller pieces.
Eventually we learn that toys break and turn into junk and smaller pieces.
These all are the beginnings of simple science.
It’s much like the opening scene in the movie “2001: A Space Odyssey,” but instead of apes and bones progressing to weapons to science, it’s toddlers and dirt progressing to mud pies to science.
We’re all scientists, but not all of us dive very deep into it, or stick with it very long, and hardly any of us ever get paid for it.
But the basic procedures and attitudes of hard core scientists can often be seen active in teenagers living everyday lives.
The reason I’m focusing on science is because that’s where determinism comes from.
***
I don’t believe we start building this simple science Particle-View tool at birth, like we do with the People-View tool.
Though it probably starts out very early with dirt, I can’t see it going strong until some decent language skills are learned.
Scientific knowledge is built by many people via language.
We all use this simple science Particle-View tool but negative associations often cause many to limit its full blown development.
Remember, in an earlier episode I mentioned that your car mechanic and your hair stylist were scientists?
We all engage in some scientific thinking, and we all use the Particle-View tool, but we usually don’t make a big deal out if it.
What’s most important to us here about this tool is the conflict it has with the People-View tool, in this particular topic of free will versus determinism.
This will be illustrated soon.
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In using the Particle-View tool we use the technique of analysis, which means cutting things up (literally or figuratively) into smaller pieces and looking at all the parts that make up the whole. The People-View tool never involves cutting other people up into pieces, hence the term “individual.” Psychotics may confuse the tools at times like this, but not normal people. Sometimes, we will switch from the People-View tool, to the Particle-View tool, and try to figuratively cut up another will into pieces so that it can be analyzed.
But this is usually not very accurate, and not appreciated by that other will, and we learn to minimize such behavior.
The Particle-View tool works well for dirt, and for things and objects, but not for people.
***
The Particle-View tool never involves trying to communicate with whatever we have put into a test tube, because it’s dead.
Sure, science looks at living biological organisms, and beings similar to us, some communication may take place, but not when the parts are looked at.
The deeper science looks into how matter works, the smaller and smaller are the parts, and the more simple and lifeless are the parts.
It’s not that they’re dull and uninteresting. They do have their beauty and fascinations, BUT they’re far, far more simple than the worlds of life, people, and thoughts.
This is also why I used the word “particle” in the name.
Eventually the word “atom” comes up.
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Another big difference between the two tools is honesty.
For several hundred years, science has taken the stand that nature can never lie or deceive, and this assumption has worked out pretty darn well.
I’ve never known of anyone to challenge it.
So, unlike with the People-View tool, when using the Particle-View tool we never have to deal with lying atoms.
Only people can lie well.
A few animals and plants have crude deception abilities, but nature, in the micro, is the epitome of honesty.
Deception just never comes up in the world of micro particles, and nature simply cannot lie, nor even make a mistake, nor even be sloppy.
Lying requires a lot of intelligence, with systems and sub-systems to support it.
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It’s a very tight world we see when using the Particle-View tool.
It’s a world that’s way TOO tight to support free will decisions, and that’s the reason determinism seems to threaten us in these matters.
Atoms don’t have a will, and they can’t change their mind.
They always obey.
Their world is simple this way.
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The People-View tool is SUBJECTIVE. It’s for the subjects in the kingdom. It’s personal.
The Particle-View tool is OBJECTIVE. It’s for the objects in the kingdom. It’s impersonal.
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Tabulated below are some qualities, or attitudes, or activities, or participating agents involved with these two tools.
First, some poles they are apart by.
On the left: People-View; on the right: Particle-View:
whole – parts smart – stupid profound – trivial advanced – primitive
Unique to People-View are : life, language, love, family, respect, civilization, lies.
Unique to Particle-View are: precision, predictability, repeatability, determinism
Each tool can be thought of as a set of special vision goggles equipped with special interactive abilities, like Humanities Goggles and Science Goggles.
These two tools are SO VERY different, that a neat, simplistic way of describing their conflict is to say they are pointed in opposite directions. Facing North, the view that can be seen is TOTALLY different from the view seen facing South. The two directions are mutually exclusive, in that looking in one direction prevents viewing the other direction. That’s what these two tools are like with respect to each other.
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Science and its Particle-View tool, have been very successful for about four hundred years, largely because the HUMAN ELEMENT is systematically stripped out from all of its attitudes, and activities, and participating agents.
But the HUMAN ELEMENT is what the People-View tool, is all about!
This means that the Particle-View tool, BY DESIGN, pretty much ignores all that is seen with the People-View tool.
And the plot thickens:
The People-View tool totally ignores the micro world, the world determinism comes from.
The resolution and quantification of our human senses are too poor to engage in micro experiences.
All of the participating agents and all of the activities of the micro world are an unrecognized blip to the People-View tool.
Meanwhile, Science and its Particle-View tool is ALL ABOUT extending its view far beyond what human senses and the People-View tool can engage in.
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So, the People-View tool and Particle-View tool are figuratively aimed in opposite directions.
They even oppose each other.
What the People-View sees can not be seen by the Particle-View.
What the Particle-View sees can not be seen by the People-View.
They are completely different ways of looking at the world, of tinkering with the world, and of explaining situations in it.
The views they produce are ALSO mutually exclusive.
This is a very strong difference.
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Another great difference between these tools is repeatability.
One way science deals with lies and sloppiness is by stripping out all data that’s not repeatable.
The great surety of science comes largely from repeatability being a part of the Particle-View tool.
Repeatability, though, whenever a human brain is involved, is not nearly as reachable an idea as it is in the micro world.
Doing a controlled experiment with people is not the same kind of thing as a controlled Physics experiment.
Surety is not a part of the world we see with the People-View tool.
Nothing with people can ever exactly be repeated; only approximately.
So, repeatability is impossible in human affairs, and necessary in scientific affairs.
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We can’t see determinism in the people world with the People-View tool.
We cant see people in the determinism world with the Particle-View tool.
The two tools face in opposite directions!
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The solution to the free will riddle is to become practiced at using both the People-View tool and the Particle-View tool,
AND more importantly to also become practiced in using them ONE-AT-A-TIME,
AND not allowing any mental drifting from one to the other,
AND understanding why.
To ask “How we can have free will in the face of microscopic determinism?” is trying to mix two antagonistic views into one thought.
Solving the riddle comes by learning to not drift from the human world containing free will, over to the science world, containing determinism, because it produces turmoil through the conflicting tools.
This is not trivial.
Few of us are very disciplined at such compartmentalized thought.
Some are, and they may ask, what’s all the fuss about?
But for most of us, learning to think through each tool’s unique view ONE-AT-A-TIME is very new.
So, the baffling nature of the free will riddle is directly due to us UNKNOWINGLY trying to fit together two fundamentally antagonistic worlds.
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Imaging a person having a difficult time understanding why it is impossible to see South while facing North.
Such a person would have to be totally unaware of the simple geometry that facing North cuts off all of the view of the South BECAUSE they are opposite.
This person needs to be taught that facing North and facing South are mutually exclusive,
and then it is possible for this person to be content with seeing each view ONE-AT-A-TIME.
We can become content with a solid knowing that WHILE we are thinking about our free will, we must WAIT on bringing up determinism.
Learning to see that determinism and free will are valid within their own worlds, but meaningless when intruding in another world, is very new to us.
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Is THAT all there IS?
Yes.
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However,
if there is any doubt or lack of clarity that the Particle-View tool and the People-View tool are opposites, that they deeply OPPOSE each other, that they are mutually exclusive, that they are COMPLETELY different ways of looking at the world,
then this answer will seem lacking.
To the degree that the two tools can be seen as opposites, like facing North and facing South, then learning to think about free will and determinism SEPARATELY will become a satisfying answer.
This degree can be increased, and the next Episode will address this.
Also, there are advanced ways to dimly see free will, far off in the distance while using the Particle-View tool.
There are also advanced ways to squintingly see determinism way down underfoot while using the People-View tool.
These advanced ways of thinking will also come up in the next Episode.
In the meantime, we can become more and more satisfied with this solution by
(1) getting practice seeing the two tools as opposites and
(2) getting practice at resisting the urge to quickly switch tools midstream.
Have fun as the solution emerges from this small disciplined effort.
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Post by MikeO on Jun 6, 2016 9:31:25 GMT -5
*************************************************************************** Item Two: . The Determinism Detour Alternate Titles: Determinism and Free Will – Together Again for the First Time Determinism and Free Will – Together Again for the Last Time Determinism .vs. Free Will – An Harmonious Antagonism This paper will propose an analogy that can clarify the compatible natures of determinism and free will. This analogy is an extension of some ideas presented in Hofstadter’s “I Am a Strange Loop” and Dennett’s “Freedom Evolves.” As per Dennett, I’m thinking of the kind of free will “worth wanting,” and not cluttered by “totally free” ideas, so I’ll just call it “will.” The word “level” refers roughly to the LEVELS of EXPLANATION in scientific complexity, with the bottom or lower levels describing microscopic particles, and the upper or top levels describing the human mind. This hierarchy of explanations is a human construct, and seems not yet fully understood. However, the ideas expressed here do not lean heavily on the fine points of how all the levels work. We need only, here, to be focusing on the extreme ends of this hierarchy. The top (or upper) level referred to is the level of the writing and the reading of this text. The bottom (or lower) levels referred to here as “microscopic particles” could be quarks, protons & electrons, molecules, or even nerve cells. All the shades of gray in between need not concern us here. *** A simple, obvious, and assumed top-level reality is that we can have a real conscious will, with some limited but real powers of causation within this top level. Yet this basic everyday reality can be suddenly disrupted by simply remembering the deterministic nature of the lower levels. When determinism pops into this upper level picture, the reality of our own minds and wills can suddenly come into question. For some thinkers the idea that conscious reality is merely a “useful fiction” is not enough to float their boat. This is what drives many to seek a solution to this determinism riddle or, as I like to call this baffling mental disruption, the determinism detour. Sometimes, after fighting to regain top level reality, the detour pops up again, and even still again through several more such cycles, and eventually on to exhaustion. It’s a baffling disruption of an otherwise clear set of pictures; each level being simple by design. It can be summed up by this riddle question “How can I have a real will if determinism is also real?” *** A method for solving this problem can be found by imitating the solutions for two other riddles that involve a similar disruptive popping of mental states, resulting in baffling confusion over issues that are otherwise clear. The first of these two riddles presented here will be extremely easy; the second quite difficult. By comparison, the determinism riddle looks to be even still more difficult. The first riddle is a Necker Cube. It’s a visual riddle. At first, to an inexperienced viewer, it looks very simple and easy to interpret. But then it starts popping one way, then back the other way. It’s baffling for a while, but then with experience, it becomes possible to lock onto one interpretation, and resist the disruption of the other, opposite interpretation. This is important: the two interpretations are mutually exclusive, and contradictory. The solution to the Necker Cube Riddle is recognizing that there are two valid interpretations, and that each interpretation can only be visualized separately, one at a time. The second, more difficult riddle is the classic mirror reversal riddle: how does a mirror reverse left and right, but not up and down? At first, it looks like it should be easy. Most people can quickly accept a valid proof that left and right are not actually reversed, and that only front-to-back are reversed. However, this surety can suddenly vanish for some people in a subconscious flash of mental imagery. This imagery of an equally valid left/right reversal interpretation pops into mind, and disrupts the clarity of the previous proof. The riddle resists solution because it is much more difficult to capture into words this second, usually short-lived, interpretation. Understanding the mirror riddle interpretations comes by recognizing that people commonly have two excellent, YET ODDLY CONTRADICTORY strategies for comparing nearly identical objects. An object and its mirror image are nearly identical, except for “reversedness.” The first strategy produces the front/back reversal interpretation by comparing the object with its mirror image as is, without moving anything. The second strategy (which usually pops in as a short subconscious flash) produces the left/right reversal interpretation by comparing the object with it’s mirror image AFTER rotating them so that they face the same direction. The two strategies contradict each other; the first says don’t move anything, the second says do move things. Like the Necker Cube, the two mirror interpretations are mutually exclusive, and contradictory. Like the Necker Cube, the baffling mental disruptions can be halted by learning to lock-in and think through each mirror comparison strategy one at a time. *** So, the Necker Cube and the mirror riddle seem to resemble the determinism riddle in interesting ways. All three exhibit some similar characteristics in their unsolved phases: a clear picture is disrupted by another clear, but contradictory, picture. The determinism riddle involves a clear, lower level picture (determinism) popping in to disrupt a clear, high level picture (will). Like the other riddles, the two simple clear pictures are mutually exclusive, and contradictory in the determinism riddle. The top and bottom levels are OPPOSITES. They deeply oppose each other. They contradict each other. Here’s why: the bottom level is stripped of the human element, while the top level IS the human element. The top level ignores microscopic particles, while bottom level IS microscopic particles. The top and bottom levels are completely different ways of explaining things. The method of solution for the Necker Cube and the mirror riddle can now be applied to the determinism riddle by learning to think through each level one at a time. This is not trivial. Scientists have not yet devised rules for jumping from level to level. We do it on any whim. Learning to see determinism and will as valid within their own levels, but meaningless when intruding in another level is new to us. *** So, I'm a Compatibilist in that I accept determinism and wills as equally real. However, WHILE discussing or even thinking on the top level of wills, the notion of determinism is NOT compatible, i.e., it goes against the notion of the levels being explanatory in that it clouds things at the high level. So, they are both real, but not valid in a mixture on the same level. They are mutually exclusive in how they deliver explanations. Determinism doesn’t belong at the will level. It’s obviously out of place. It’s as much a stranger at the top level of human wills as is the cuteness of a kitten in quantum mechanics. *** Summarizing all three riddles: The Necker Cube Solution: It looks paradoxical to an inexperienced viewer as depth perception pops back and forth. The two views are mutually exclusive, contradicting each other in that one view goes this way and one the other way. But as the viewer gets experience, the paradox can pass by learning how to view each Necker mode one at a time . The Mirror Riddle Solution: It looks paradoxical to an inexperienced viewer as “reversedness” perception pops from front/back to left/right. The two common mirror comparison strategies are mutually exclusive, contradicting each other. One demands movement, and the other demands NO movement. But with experience, the paradox can pass by learning to mentally view each mirror comparison strategy one at a time. The Determinism Riddle Solution: It looks paradoxical to an inexperienced viewer as the feeling of a real will vanishes into a sea of mindless particles, upon being reminded of determinism. It’s a popping back and forth that resembles this: “I have a real will; I don’t have a real will.” The two level-pictures are mutually exclusive, contradicting each other. But with experience, the paradox passes by learning to view each level of explanation (top level wills, bottom level particles) one at a time. *** This kind of mental discipline may have been easy for the Necker Cube, and a bit more difficult for the mirror riddle, but for the determinism riddle it’s MUCH more difficult. Without this discipline, confusion results from trying to use two contradictory and mutually exclusive perspectives (top level vs. bottom) simultaneously. This confusion is literal in that it is a “fusing” together of things that should not be joined. In all three cases “mutually exclusive” implies that, if mental chaos is to be avoided, separate operations are REQUIRED, that one-at-a-time handling is REQUIRED. *** This is worth repeating: the top and bottom levels are OPPOSITES. They deeply oppose each other. They contradict each other. The bottom level is stripped of the human element, while the top level IS the human element. The top level ignores microscopic particles, while bottom level IS microscopic particles. *** Here is a one page summary of the mirror solution: www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/M/mirror_reversal_problem.html
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